UFC
Vadim Finkelstein: Fedor Emelianenko is still the best Pound for Pound fighter in the World
Originally posted by
Anton Gurevich
on August 3, 2010, 10:07 AM CDT
Speaking to AllBoxing.ru, M-1 Global boss Vadim Finkelstein reacted to Dana White's post Fedor vs Werdum comments, claiming that his client is still the P4P Best Fighter in the World. Fedor Emelianenko was defeated by Fabricio Werdum via a shocking Armbar/Triangle Choke, causing many media outlets to wipe him off their P4P rankings. Vadim Finkelstein has a clear message to everyone who continues to doubt "The Last Emperor:
Vadim, can you please comment on Dana White's recent remarks, where he claimed Fedor Emelianenko interests no one anymore?
"You know, if I had to comment on everything Dana White says, it would be a kindergarten. He says one thing today and tomorrow - another. I am completely sure that one day he would like to take his words back.
He called me a "mad Russian", and said Fedor was a "mythological creature" invented by the media... apparently he was speaking about the recent UFC Heavyweight title fight between Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar. In my opinion, it's a disgrace. Calling Lesnar number one fighter in the world? A fighter who won five fights and suffered one defeat? So all the "Mythological Creatures" are right there, in the UFC. It's clearly not Fedor.
What irritates White is that Fedor never fought in the UFC, but he nevertheless referred to as the number one in fighter the world. And you understand in what circumstances are we, and in what they are. They have only negative things to say about us. That's why Fedor's first mistake in 10 years was a massive celebration for the UFC. If they label fighters like Brock Lesnar as "The Best in the World", I can assure you that Fedor Emelianenko was and remains the undisputed Best Fighter in the World"
The situation around who will be Fedor's next opponent is still unclear. Nevertheless, Vadim Finkelstein declared that he will do "everything in his power" to arrange a rematch between "The Last Emperor" and Fabricio Werdum, who continues to express his interest in a rematch. Fedor Emelianenko is currently Ranked as #3 Heavyweight by Sherdog (not included in P4P Rankings), and #2 by USA Today.
What do you think, LowKick'ers? Where do you rank Fedor in your list?
Vadim, can you please comment on Dana White's recent remarks, where he claimed Fedor Emelianenko interests no one anymore?
"You know, if I had to comment on everything Dana White says, it would be a kindergarten. He says one thing today and tomorrow - another. I am completely sure that one day he would like to take his words back.
He called me a "mad Russian", and said Fedor was a "mythological creature" invented by the media... apparently he was speaking about the recent UFC Heavyweight title fight between Shane Carwin and Brock Lesnar. In my opinion, it's a disgrace. Calling Lesnar number one fighter in the world? A fighter who won five fights and suffered one defeat? So all the "Mythological Creatures" are right there, in the UFC. It's clearly not Fedor.
What irritates White is that Fedor never fought in the UFC, but he nevertheless referred to as the number one in fighter the world. And you understand in what circumstances are we, and in what they are. They have only negative things to say about us. That's why Fedor's first mistake in 10 years was a massive celebration for the UFC. If they label fighters like Brock Lesnar as "The Best in the World", I can assure you that Fedor Emelianenko was and remains the undisputed Best Fighter in the World"
The situation around who will be Fedor's next opponent is still unclear. Nevertheless, Vadim Finkelstein declared that he will do "everything in his power" to arrange a rematch between "The Last Emperor" and Fabricio Werdum, who continues to express his interest in a rematch. Fedor Emelianenko is currently Ranked as #3 Heavyweight by Sherdog (not included in P4P Rankings), and #2 by USA Today.
What do you think, LowKick'ers? Where do you rank Fedor in your list?
Your funny. Here is the deal to what u just said. So now its as many fights as u can win - then your the best in the world? NO NO NO, you got it wrong. Just because I fight 40 18 yr old girls and win all 40 DOES NOT mean Im the best in the world. Its about competition, I've said this before, u can't be the best NFL player if u play in college. Reply 1 year ago
PS:The whole analogy you used about Fedor being analogis to a college level football player saying he's the best football player in the world is pure crap buddy. Reply 1 year ago
Fedor may be the greatest heavyweight ever but if he wants to be the #1 HW now he will have to fight the top ranked fighters and win. Reply 1 year ago
one mistake in 10 years and all the UFC fanboys try to make lesnar (5-1^^) the top HW in the world??? give me a break ...thats crazy stuff!!! Reply 1 year ago
he may not be the best p4p right now!
but hes still one of the best heavyweights in the world.
thats his first lost in 10 years!
Brock lost in what his first year? he is 5-1? oh man lesnar just started , the heavyweight title means nothing if he got his title fight after 1 win in the UFC , i acknowledge that he got amazing potential , but to claim you are the best in the World! you have to beat most top fighters in recent years not just fight 2 or 3 guys in 1 or 2 years!
i hate when people just throw out the best of the world like it was someting so simple , do people realize theres more than 6 billion people on the world , there are thousands of countries , the world is not just U.S and Brazil
Carwin completly manhandle Brock , and Carwin is still smaller than him , he couldnt take him down , couldnt stand up with him , he got lucky Carwin Gas and it was not because lack of cardio , it was this medical thing he got into the fight.
so until he Knocks out , or manhandle Cain , JDS and Carwin
the title of best in the world will still remain as unknow for any heavyweight period. Reply 1 year ago
How many fights did Fedor have before he fought someone on Frank's level? 20? He's never fought anyone like Shane.
"the heavyweight title means nothing if he got his title fight after 1 win in the UFC"
Makes zero sense. If he had been given the shot and lost, you might have a point. He won it, and defended it, against the #1 contender. He has the belt that all serious HW's are shooting for. And it wasn't handed to him, he took it. Reply 1 year ago
Is UFC really the best?
I believe they have a good percentage of the best in most divisions, but in p4p terms the HW's are bottom of the rung as few of them are well rounded, Lesnar awful stand up, Carwin awful cardio etc etc, so keep telling yourself they are the best. If you believe the DW hype machine you probably believe WWE is totally real wrestling also and not choreographed. Reply 1 year ago
lesnar is so over rated i like to see lesnar vs ovreem
i just hop that cain smashes him Reply 1 year ago
Still consider him N1 all time, But not the best at this moment. Reply 1 year ago
don't like it?
F**K YOU! Reply 1 year ago
At this point, due to horrible management decisions, there are too many top Heavyweights that he has never fought, and that his management has dodged. It's hard for anyone to 100% truthfully say that he's #1 in the world when he has not even fought half of the current top 5 (if you remove him from wherever you rank him).
It's not Fedors fault, either. It's his management 100%. Sad that there is questions to a man who was at one time undisputed #1 P4P... even though its for reasons that were not his own doing.
This man is ruining it even more every time he speaks. After the fight he said Fedor would fight whoever SF wanted. Then he mentioned finally fighting Overeem. Now hes "going to do everything in his power for a rematch with Werdum". What a bastard. How could the man thats single handedly ruining his fighters legacy claim these things? Reply 1 year ago
IMO he has nothing to offer Lesnar, or Shane, or Cain, or JDS, or Overeem. etc. He's one of the greats certainly, but Shane and Cain and Lesnar and JDS are only getting better. They'll continue getting better for years. And where they're at now, they would beat Fedor. The gap is only increasing. Reply 1 year ago
We all have our opinions of what would happen if you put him in the ring, but who really knows? We'll never really know with Vadim unless he wakes the hell up and realizes he is ruining his fighters legacy. That's not how a manager should handle himself. Reply 1 year ago
There are weight divisions for a reason. If Fedor can't compete against HW's, he can't compete against HW's. Reply 1 year ago
We can't know about Fedor, which is the point IMO. His leaving it open to speculation is preferable to fighting these people and losing half the time. The only thing we can judge by, is looking at the common opponents and see how they've done.
Werdum for instance is a good example. What did JDS do to him, compared to what Fedor did to him?
It's up to Fedor to give us all something more tangible to go on. He's got no excuse to be in Strikeforce. Very few people consider him to be the #1 P4P or the #1 HW anymore. Only people like mokoko still argue that it's the responsibility of every HW in the UFC to shred their contract and go chase Fedor in an organization that will just hide him and protect him anyway. Reply 1 year ago
Regarding Dos Santos, if he meets Werdum again, it would be a different story. Werdum did not take him seriously and lost. On the other hand, Dos Santos could not do anything for 3 rounds with deeply depressed Mirko Cro Cop, who basically was afraid to fight. Werdum would eat Mirko alive.
Let me ask one question. In our opinion, is Overeem a legitimate opponent for Fedor? According to many opinions, Overeem would beat the shit out of Fedor since he is better in every aspect. Reply 1 year ago
For some reason, he just trusts the man to do whats best for him and doesnt even handle his own business. Reply 1 year ago
Thats just my opinion. Reply 1 year ago
M-1 too. They have much to do with this fight not happening as Dana. Rest assure Dana has a plan to get him back at the table and after the Overeem fight(if it is confirmed) Dana will get Fedor in the UFC. He wants him he is the Vince Mcmahn of MMA. Don King too. Reply 1 year ago
on a side note. Anderson lost twice in Pride, should that discredit him? No, and his opponents were not the best Ryo Chonan (17-11), Daiju Takase (9-13), not the best of records. So, if Anderson lost in Pride and unbeaten in UFC what does that say about somebody who's undefeated in Pride?
I just want to point out that there is an overall career vs last fight. Canadian National Hockey league does not win everything, they lose here and there, but they are considered the best overall, and are usually the favorites in every international competition. Reply 1 year ago
He's not losing now because he's old, he's struggling because he's not fighting in Japan. Lesnar is the same age. Carwin is older. And, Lesnar was putting more damage in to his body in Retard-Wrestling, in a single night, than Fedor has sustained over his career. Everybody suddenly gets miraculously old once they leave Japan and fight in the west. It's a massive coincidence...
(just a preemptive aside, the few exceptions of Pride fighters coming over and continuing to do well, are just that. Exceptions. The vast majority of fighters from Pride had no chance to transition. Most of those who were given a shot, have looked mediocre.)
There's no way Fedor could approach Anderson or Georges when it comes to career record, not if he had been fighting the caliber of fighters in the UFC hw, or lhw divisions today. Also, if you average their respective levels of competition, there's no comparison. Fedor beat a lot of bums, to go along with his impressive wins.
Grade Fedor on a P4P-career curve and he's closer anyway. Simply because he's fighting above his weight class. That makes it more impressive. Reply 1 year ago
I have pointed out many of his errors many times but I think his picnic is a sandwich short some days. Reply 1 year ago
I still think he is one of the best but he needs to fight elite competition or go to the UFC to maintain any sort of P4P legitimacy. Reply 1 year ago
Werdum is 33, and is mid-career, ranked either 10th or just outside.
Brett Rogers was an up and comer at 29 and undefeated until Fedor. Arlovski was ranked in the top 10 (3rd i think), was 30 when he fought Fedor, and was Mid-career and still is.
Tim Sylvia was 32 when he fought Fedor, was also ranked in the top ten and also mid-career, but arguably near the end of his career, he's still only 34.
Choi Hong-man, was 26 when he fought, actually very early in his career in MMA. But was not ranked high at all, you get no argument from me about this match up. Only that he's 265+ and 7'2".
Matt Lindland was 37 at the time, most likely nearing his career, he's now 40.
I think that actually shows that he's been fighting higher ranked fighters as the time progressed after Pride. Statistically speaking.
You could easily say that Brett has beaten nobodies. Don't actually know what you could say about Arlovski, most people had him ranked as high as 3rd best HW until the Fedor fight. Whom also had a string of victories. Tim Sylvia, was overrated and never deserved to be HW champion in the UFC. Werdum sucks because he got knocked out by Dos Santos. Reply 1 year ago
Cain - beat Nog and Congo only, not exactly the top competition.
Shane - Gonzaga and Mir, Mir- is top 10
Brock - Couture, Mir and Shane, good record.
Dos Santos - Werdum, Cro Cop, Gonzaga and Yvel.
I just don't see the top competition. Except Brock, they all had way weaker opponents than Fedor. After Brock -Cain fight, I would say, that either of the two is the top competition for Fedor. Reply 1 year ago
fedor only got that massive record because he fought in the pride grand prix, which as we all know pitted top fighters like wandy, fedor and big nog against poor enough japanese fighters and then after a couple of fights against each other....so fedors 'brilliant record' comes mostly from him beating a couple of nobodys and 1 or 2 decent guys in quick succession...its the same with a lot of pride fighters, and the reason brock wont get a record like that, is because he will ONLY fight the best because he wants to be (and probably is) the best Reply 1 year ago
Now what i really want to see is Fedor the champion to climb his way back to the top and decimate the competition like he used to do THEN we will see why Fedor Emelianenko has been and will be number 1 Pound for Pound greatest fighter in the world..... Reply 1 year ago
Firstly it is a given fact that the UFC hypes up their fighters and because some divisions have a depth of world class well rounded fighters, noobies or the inept of mind fail to see the UFC HW division has always been very weak, and there are budding stars now but as yet few have fought each other, and have made their names beating mainly bums (something Fedor gets accused of quite alot, but in reality UFC HW's are much more guilty of this).
The last UFC HW title fight, although exciting and entertaining, demonstrated major major flaws in two of their best fighters games. Anyone who believes Carwin or Brock have any p4p credentials are insane. they are both bottom of any p4p lists as take away their size and look at their all round game they both fall way short. Fedor does not. He hits nearly as hard as brock or Carwin with alot less weight and he has complete all round game.
Finally, One of the new UFC HW's may surpass Fedor in the near future in current HW terms, but UFC's azzlickin Sherdog rankings mean nothing. But none have as yet demonstrated the skill set or record that fedor has and 1 single loss is not enough to remove him from #1 as he was light years ahead of UFC HW's in the first place. Reply 1 year ago