UFC
Michael Bisping: I just beat Chael Sonnen for two rounds, I will be the champ one day
Originally posted by
Joey Santosus
on January 29, 2012, 10:46 AM CDT
Top Middleweight contender Michael Bisping, who came up short on the scorecards against Chael Sonnen, discusses his performance, and explains why he felt he won the fight. Though Bisping congratulates Sonnen on the victory, the Brit feels that he did enough to take the first two rounds, and insists that he will, eventually, be the UFC champion.
Further Reading: UFC on Fox 2: Chael Sonnen vs. Michael Bisping Video Highlights
Thats all Bisping did. And no im not a Sonnel fan. Actually i hate him. But if this fight was not a draw than Sonnel won it. Reply 3 months ago
So much of scoring with wrestling control seems so arbitrary between judges. I'd like to see some sort of interview sessions with MMA judges to have them weigh in and explain what they look for. Reply 3 months ago
How many years cage fighting experience do you have Ivy?
Those guys were working for position on the fence. You don't have a clue and neither do the 27 WWE fans who voted the same way.
Get in the cage before commenting. Reply 3 months ago
The comment weak is an insight into who they are, unable to fight, only able to comment - pathetic. Reply 3 months ago
Striking from those positions is not one sided either. I've only seen one person ever get finished from a punch in guard, and I've seen many fighters get dropped from an effective knee against the cage. I think that regardless of what position it is, one of the key factors should be what the fighter does with it. Reply 3 months ago
Why would you argue that Ivy, is it your experience talking?? You're a fan not a fighter... I'm sure you're good at making fairy cakes, I've never tried, would I have the knowledge to comment on how you apply chocolate icing?
Don't think so. Reply 3 months ago
bisping had Sonnen against the cage for all of 1 min and 30 seconds
thats not enough to win the round Reply 3 months ago
was still a boring ass fight though.... Reply 3 months ago
BTW did you say "the fight was not a draw..." and then below say "Indeed it was a draw in my eyes" ?? Are you a politician? Reply 3 months ago
http://blog.fightmetric.com/2012/01/sonnen-vs-bisping-official-ufc.html Reply 3 months ago
Bisping won that fight simple as. When the judges can't even give the decision to the fighter who ticks all the categories for a 10-9 round is disgraceful.
We can't continue to grow our sport with morons who know nothing deciding who won the fight. Reply 3 months ago
But if you think this decision is that bad, or the fight was one-sided, you sound like a newb. Rounds 2 and 3 were split between them, and the first depends on how you score it.
Aggression was about equal. Sonnen had the take downs, Bisping had fence control, slight advantage Chael. But then the Count had more of an advantage when it came to striking.
But if you score takedowns on the same level as a knockdown, which some judges do, then you can see why they'd give round one to Chael.
Which ever judged scored it 30-27 should lose their license.
As long as they keep using the antiquated 10 point system, close decisions will be like flipping a coin in the air. Reply 3 months ago
But he got punched more and taken down more... How did he win ? LOL Reply 3 months ago
The reason why takedowns count for scoring is because they are one fighter imposing their will on the other in order to control where the fight takes place. That is exactly what Bisping did most of the fight. Saying that Chael had better control because he got a couple takedowns he couldn't hold while Bisping pressed him up the cage and beat on him for minutes at a time shows either ignorance on the judge's parts or a flaw in the scoring system. Take your pick. Reply 3 months ago
I'll help you out with a very simple analogy, which you should understand,
If I describe a painting to you, you have an outline impression of the painting.
When you see the painting, the impression is different.
A fight metric is different from a fight.
A jab which touches the chin as the fighter moves backwards,
Is different to the same jab which hits the chin as the fighter moves forwards.
Same jab, different context.
Doesn't that make sense now? Reply 3 months ago
What do you think Michael Bisping did against the cage mutiple times? Reply 3 months ago
However, those are just rumors. I think it was more Bisping making him work really hard. Reply 3 months ago
Evan, I heard a rumour that before the fight, Hulk Hogan, The Undertaker and Rick Flair cornered Bisping and made him smell Randy Savages rotting underpants.
Apparently, at this point, the wrestlers were attacked by a wild horde of Umpa Lumpas who recently escaped from Willy Wonkas chocolate factory, but maybe it wasn't true and Bisping making him work really hard. Reply 3 months ago
Like most people see it, I agree that the second round goes to Bisping while the third goes to Sonnen. Overall, Sonnen wins a tight fight 29 - 28.
In a way, Bisping was a winner too in another way. I have gained a lot more respect for Bisping and I'm seeing that a lot of other people have as well. Bisping has definitely improved all areas of his game from his early fights in the UFC. I think people will now start seeing him as a legit top 5 threat in the middleweight division. Reply 3 months ago
This.
And I hope this gets played more online instead of people talking about how "bad" Chael looked. Reply 3 months ago
You're acting consistently with your image, the image that you know virtually nothing about fighting, apart from what you get in your armchair. Reply 3 months ago
Have the confidence to judge for yourself. Reply 3 months ago
P.S The world has already ended and this is all a dream. Reply 3 months ago
http://hosteddb.fightmetric.com/fights/index/3764
Silva VS Sonnen 2
I cant wait, i live in Oregon and there last fight was a edge of the seat unbelievable fight ! Chael deserves another crack at the belt and he proved it tonight.
Silva as a fighter should be vocal about WANTING to fight Chael,
but he is not. That makes me question his character.
See Diaz call out GSP ? See how GSP WANTS to fight Diaz really bad ASAP ! Thats what the champ should do !
Silva is ducking Chael its easy to see. The #1 bad ass on the planet does not sit around for over a year letting the #2 guy talk this much shit ! Sonnen fought is way back to the title NOW Silva has to retire or fight him... He has NO OTHER CHOICE. See what Chael did there ? Trust me he is a smart guy, selling fights being a character... You all know the "im a Gangster from Westlinn " LOL that is one of the RICHEST parts of Oregon, Chael was fed with a Goldenspoon.
He is smart and hes making alot of money of this CHARACTER. Reply 3 months ago
The judge who scored it 27-30 should be ashamed of himself.
O.k Cheal got the takedowns in the first but Bisping popped right back up after a couple of secs, even at the end of round three Bisping got the takedown on Cheal and started to land elbows, if the fight would have gone five rounds Bisping woulda won. Did anybody else see the suspect chatting in the third round, it almost went on for twenty seconds?????? Reply 3 months ago
The judge who scored it 27-30 should be ashamed of himself."
All of this is incorrect. Reply 3 months ago
Same for Evans, even though it's not their fault that the styles of fighting didn't make for good entertainment. But a deal is a deal, so now both men will move on and fight for the title in their respective weight classes. I hope the title fights offer more in the department of entertainment. Reply 3 months ago
Evaluations shall be made in the order in which the techniques appear in (c) above, giving the most weight in scoring to effective striking, effective grappling, control of the fighting area and effective aggressiveness and defense.-
Effective striking is judged by determining the total number of legal strikes landed by a contestant.- Bisping had the better striking.
Effective grappling is judged by considering the amount of successful executions of a legal takedown and reversals. Examples of factors to consider are take downs from standing position to mount position, passing the guard to mount position, and bottom position fighters using an active threatening guard.- Sonnen had this He was able to get Bispings back and has taken Bisping down more than Bisping took Sonnen down. Also he was able to pass Bisping Guard.
Fighting area control is judged by determining who is dictating the pace, location and position of the bout. Examples of factors to consider are countering a grappler's attempt at takedown by remaining standing and legally striking, taking down an opponent to force a ground fight, creating threatening submission attempts, passing the guard to achieve mount, and creating striking opportunities.- This could have gone either way Bisping Pressed Sonnen against the wall. Sonnen was not 100% successful in taking Bisping down but he was able to take him down. I think Bisping was not threatening in the guard but was more content to getting up than trying to submit Sonnen.
Effective aggressiveness means moving forward and landing a legal strike. - This is another 50/50 contest although Sonnen moved forward he was not landing a lot of strikes. In the other hand Bisping had the better of the striking.
Effective defense means avoiding being struck, taken down or reversed while countering with offensive attacks. -Sonnen has this one he was able to take Bisping down more often than Bisping took Sonnen down although Bisping was able to get up or reverse Sonnen against the Fence the virtue of successful take downs the edge will go to Sonnen.
Judges shall use a sliding scale and recognize the length of time the fighters are either standing or on the ground, as follows:
if the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round on the canvas, then:
Effective grappling is weighed first; and
Effective striking is then weighed
If the mixed martial artists spent a majority of a round standing, then:
Effective striking is weighed first; and
Effective grappling is then weighed
A round is to be scored as a 10-8 round when a contestant overwhelmingly dominates by striking or grappling in a round.
If a round ends with a relatively even amount of standing and canvas fighting, striking and grappling are weighed equally.
The main major factor was as you can see from the "UNIFIED RULES AND OTHER MMA REGULATIONS" control is value more than striking. Although Bisping edge out Sonnen in the striking department (dirty Boxing style) The Takedowns of Sonnen was more evident. Being pressed up against the fence and getting punch is not as visually evident than being taken down. Reply 3 months ago
Main reason alot of people thought Bisping had it, was because they expected him to get destroyed and were amazed by it being so close and second head strikes are more noticeable and remembered than body or leg strikes which bisping landed slightly more and hurt sonnen badly with one, but sonnen landed alot more body and leg strikes! that with the takedowns and dominant top position i have to give sonnen rnds 1 & 3! Reply 3 months ago