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Frank Mir says he knew Big Nog is not going to tap (X-Ray picture inside)

Originally posted by Anton Gurevich on December 11, 2011, 06:45 AM CDT

Frank Mir looked back at his amazing victory over Antonio Rodrigo Nogueira, and Big Nog's decision not to tap out despite being in a very "deep" Kimura lock. According to Mir, he had a feeling the Brazilian legend is not going to surrender this way, which led to a snapped shoulder and a damaged elbow. Mir also spoke about his future inside the Octagon, indicating that he would like to face Brock Lesnar in a rubber match.

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  • fkarab He will probably get Cain for his next fight and Alistair his title shot, Brock should return to wwe where he belongs. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Nik_Hulstein what you just said didnt make any sence Reply 5 months ago
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  • BigAlRIz "Frank Mir will probably fight Cain next, and if he wins, he will fight Overeem for the title. Once Brock loses to Overeem he should return to the WWE where he belongs"

    I understand what fkarab is saying, but @Nik_Hulstein, wtf is "sence"?
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  • Entity since, sense scents, cents (yes english is the hardest language)
    since....refers to or regarding time or from past
    Senses... are physiological capacities of organisms that provide inputs for perception.

    Scents...smell
    cents....US money among others...
    I hope everyone can learn a little from my post. And you can clearly see why Americans are confused by nationalities typing in English.
    Not sarcastic at all, just enlightening others.
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  • Sambo82 I'm sick of all these ignorant people saying Brock should go back to WWE. There has never been a fighter of any combat sport that has had a tougher 7 fights to begin their career. Reply 5 months ago
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  • OllieHill Good win for Mir, made a statement submitting Nog. Mir vs Cain would be a sick fight. Reply 5 months ago
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  • KeithFarrell He made a statement that he has sick jits and alot of heart but proved that a fight with Cain would only last untill Cain caught him with his first few punches. Cain vs. Mir would look the same as Cain vs. Nog Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity I have to agree with you, the more I see Frank get hit the more I think he has a feather jaw. One day he'll sneeze and passout. Reply 5 months ago
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  • JTalbain I think Cain would probably be the favorite, but I'd like to see them throw down. I think it's important that Mir showed he has heart though. After a few of the comments from Dana, a lot of people thought he'd just give up the moment things didn't go his way. Reply 5 months ago
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  • cranestyle Mir didn't really give Big Nog much of a chance to tap. Breaking people's arms is pretty intimidating...

    ...but that's the fight game. Even though he didn't really have the chance to tap, Frank is probably right, Big Nog would not tap. And would have done the same thing to Mir.
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  • KeithFarrell He locked up the kimura and was torquing it as tight as it could go for at least 4 seconds, thats enoug time to tap... I definitely wouil anyway Reply 5 months ago
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  • Warcrazed have u ever been kimura'd? it hurts pretty much as soon as they crank it the first time and u can see from nogs face way before it broke that it was hurting. Personally, I dont know why nog didnt tap? :s he was on his back with mir on top in side control, which i would say is pretty impossible to get out of, there was no rolling over Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity He had plenty of time to tap. Dont let emotions cloud judgement. Reply 5 months ago
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  • griffin great win but Mir seriously needs to consider losing some of that weight. in his last 4 fights he got KTFO, looked slow and gassed then last night came very close to getting KOd again Reply 5 months ago
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  • ViciousNature1 If your talking mir u must be mistaking or dont have ur facts straight he was not koedin his last 4. He has won his last 3 and the 1 before that he lost to carwin..i dont even think he has 4 loses in arow.u need to research or watch some videos before ya post n make yourself look stupid. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity Criticism >logic? Reply 5 months ago
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  • GuardAli you"re* (cmon entity, correct em) Reply 5 months ago
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  • CrusherFun yes thats true, but he did look, kinda fat and slow. Reply 5 months ago
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  • suckapunch dam nog has took some damage in his career Reply 5 months ago
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  • BruceLee Mir has been annoying in the past but I like the new Mir since the Lesnar defeat. He's come down to Earth. I can get behind this guy. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mofocool What is wrong with you guys..?? Big Nog it was not submitted.Submition means when the guy is tapping,but is not the case here.Big Nog is a true warrior an his pride told him to not tap and got a broken bone.He`s not a pussy..that is the point here.."Broke me but i`m not gonna be your bitch".This is the real man that we all should respect.He lost ..but not in the way that Mir wanted.Respect Big Nog!!! Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity Look up "submition"...you'll find it doesnt mean anything...might try "submission"
    Don't try to educate the world on a subject you can't even spell.
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  • BobTheBuilder he still tapped though... Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity not with his right arm! lol sorry Reply 5 months ago
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  • David Saucier umm Nog did tap did you see the fight? Reply 5 months ago
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  • Warcrazed watch the fight, u see a snap and then u see Nog tapping frantically with his good arm.. so by ur defintion of "submition" he still submitted.. Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster Big Nog clearly tapped--after his arm snapped.

    If he was too proud to tap--he would be like Tim Silvia, with his arm broken in three places--arguing with the ref for stopping the fight.

    A true warrior? So everyone who ever tapped in the UFC is not a true warior and a 'bitch' by your logic?

    You've been thinking hard on this.
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  • GuardAli smh at noobs like u who think tapping means being a bitch...this isnt a political war...its a career for all the fighters. not tapping = broken bones = cant fight = no money = cant feed family = real bitch who cant feed his kids. go back to UFC undisputed on your xbox in live in your fantasy world while fapping to brock's tattoo Reply 5 months ago
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  • saulgood Man feel bad for Nog. this is a pretty nasty break. i know first hand what a spiral fractured humerus recovery involves. Mine looked just like that, it took a steel plate and 13 screws to fix, and a year of rehab to get to 75%. Its not a good, thing hope his goes better. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mofocool This is the sport that Dana White is promoting to be safer than boxing...but is not at all Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity Go watch boxing. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mmagym get educated pal! Reply 5 months ago
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  • IChokePeople I'd rather get a broken arm than get my brain destroyed by fighting with a concussion because I get to keep fighting with a swollen brain. Reply 5 months ago
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  • smeac go kill urself....ufc is safer.....broken bones can heal but brain damage which is more evident on boxers last a life time....again check ur facts.. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Warcrazed Mebe u should go live in NY with those ignorant politicians... He promotes it safer than boxing because boxing is proven to have a higher risk of brain damage and death. Both of those are non repairable, but oh wait, a broken arm? yup last time i checked that can be repaired.. hmmm repairable seems alot safer than non-repairable and death... just my opinion tho, could be wrong...... Reply 5 months ago
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  • mofocool I hate Frank Mir for what he did...this is not looking like sport to me.I wonder if he was going to kill him if refused to tap Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity So hes supposed to hold his arm back forever even though he knows hes got the win?
    Go watch iceskating you wuss. Nog could have stopped that but he didnt, I could clearly see Nog's other hand and it didnt tap until the break.
    I'de say Mir is the most dangerous BJJ player in the game and when he gets his next opponent in a sub, THEY WILL TAP or suffer the same fate, Brock was smart and avenged his win instead of losing an ankle.
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  • JTalbain The reason why you tap is to prevent this kind of injury. Most of the high level BJJ guys (the Nogueira Bros., the Gracie family, etc.) have openly said they will never tap, and they will accept the consequences for any submission they can't escape. It's a matter of pride for them.

    Honestly though, if no fighter was willing to break your arm/choke you out, who would tap to a submission? Wouldn't that make the Jits game kinda pointless?
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  • IChokePeople You are an idiot. Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster Are you a kindegarten monitor?

    If you are going to soil yourself every time an arm gets snapped or a head gets KTFO'd then you are watching the wrong sport.

    You hate Frank Mir for doing his job in a brillant and brutal fashion?

    You wouldn't happen to work for the culinary union, would you?
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  • David Saucier are you trolling MMA in general on an MMA site, why are you even watching the sport? Stop watching then and leave Lowkick alone. Reply 5 months ago
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  • scrubbduck Tap...Snap...or go to sleep. Everyone knows what can happen. If Nog was dumb enough not to tap then he deserved what he got. Just like when Mir choked out Kongo. He wouldnt tap...he went to sleep. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity YOU win the prize for the day. SHARP! Reply 5 months ago
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  • GSPfan MMA is safer than boxing. Look at how many blows to the head someone takes in a boxing match. It is actually better on your brain to just get knocked out cold then to get rocked and get right back up and take more blows to the head, and in this case, it happens more often in boxing then it does in mma because of the size of the gloves. Also, in mma fights, the fighters can concentrate on submissions and wrestling, when in boxing, the only thing is 'to the body, to the head, to the body, to the head.'Trust me. You have a better chance at living a normal life after fighting mma then you do boxing. Not money-wise, of course. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity I'de rather break an arm that drool on myself like Muhammed Ali.
    Soooo I never heard what happened to Freddie Roach, hes messed up somehow.
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  • jdnextchamp After a fighting career, I mean, a real career, you have absolutely no chance on living a normal life. Even someone who ran marathon all his life has health problems after so don't tell me a fighter can take blow and stay normal.

    Joe Rogan know more fighters than anyone else and he said in a recent interview that if you start a fighting career, you have to do this all your life, that fighting is a dangerous job and you can't start fighting just for fun because it's impossible not to have health problems.

    High level fighters, GSP for example, will have to go monthly, if not weekly, see a doctor. When you push your body to the very extreme limit during 10-15 years don't expect to come back to normal life and die old and healthy.
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  • IChokePeople @jdnextchamp: Dude, how many people do you know over the age of 50 regardless of career who don't have health problems? Reply 5 months ago
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  • David Saucier Freddie Roach has Parkinson disease Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster In boxing, blows to the head have been linked to a variety of neurological conditions in fighters--and Parkinsonism is one of them.

    http://www.aan.com/elibrary/neurologynow/?event=home.showArticle&id=ovid.com:/bib/ovftdb/01222928-200602020-00005
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  • Mike Perryman He's got Parkinsons disease like Michael J. Fox. It seriously affects his speech, mobility and reaction time. He didn't get that way from boxing. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity thnx guys always wondered about that. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mofocool It suppose to be some kind of fair play in MMA too..if you want to call it sport of corse.In this case is noting that a sportsman do.Injuries happens in every sport but when you break somebodies arm to win it is getting very disturbing and not very educational for my kids.I love MMA but this is to far.. Reply 5 months ago
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  • davetec1 it was Minotauro's own fault for not tapping... he should know, he's a black belt. Reply 5 months ago
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  • JTalbain BJJ is a MARTIAL ART. Just like Boxing, Kickboxing, Sambo, Karate or Muay Thai. Make no mistake, even though these martial arts are being utilized in a competitive sport setting, the entire point behind these skills is to hurt people more effectively. You don't drop your guard in a striking sport, and you know when to quit in a submission sport. Failing to do so has consequences. Reply 5 months ago
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  • IChokePeople Whaaaa, whaaaa, THE CHILDREN, whaaaaa! I would tell my kids that is what happens when you don't tap. Reply 5 months ago
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  • IChokePeople Kick Boxing = Muay Thai = martial art. Boxing is the art of PUNCHING. Punching is used to hurt or kill in a life or death situation. Boxing = martial art. Reply 5 months ago
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  • jdnextchamp Kick boxing is not like Muay thai and is NOT a martial art.
    MARTIAL ART DOESN'T MEAN COMBAT SPORT.
    You guys are soooooooooo dumb if you think boxing and kickboxing are martial arts. Or you have simply never done martial art. I'm offended to hear some of you uneducated people think boxing and kickboxing are martial art.
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  • codemaster Fencing is a martial art as is wrestling and many other fighting arts.

    Mars was the Roman god of war, and is at the root of martial.
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  • davetec1 JDS will get revenge for Minotauro, that is if Mir ever makes up there. Reply 5 months ago
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  • JTalbain I've wanted to see JDS fight Mir for a while now. I always liked the match stylistically Reply 5 months ago
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  • jdnextchamp I believe JDS' advantage would be boxing of course but his takedown defense which he, I hope, worked on to fight Velasquez, would be the key. JDS all the way. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mofocool I hate the bald bitch Dana because is "ok" and "entertaining" to see a live broken arm but when Torres made a joke he got fired in a second.This is freaking me out Reply 5 months ago
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  • Entity Its life life threatening but I'll call you a WHAaaambulance right away!
    Perhaps "children" can have other things to do?
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  • JTalbain You're right all injuries that can cause severe damage should be prevented. To prevent eye pokes they should use closed finger gloves, grappling game be damned. To prevent broken legs, leg kick shouldn't be allowed. Broken jaws, concussions and horribly broken noses can be prevented by outlawing blows to the face. And stopping gut shots or kicks would prevent liver explosions ala Bas Rutten. Don't want to allow takedowns, because someone might break their arm like Shogun did. So now we're left with a sport that is nothing but people punching each other in the thigh. Have fun with that. Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster Just wear a diaper for your next MMA bout.

    There there. The bad man who snaps arms has gone away.
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  • KeithFarrell Nasty Kimura Reply 5 months ago
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  • ronniegmma Mir v Cain definatly makes sense! But depends on what Frank Mir shows up on the night! Reply 5 months ago
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  • azzkika Nog is a fool and has no pride. There is no pride in letting a man breaking your fight after gaining a checkmate position. That is the action of a fool. Reply 5 months ago
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  • azzkika PS: If refs were trained to spot for potential breakages and step in even without the opponent tapping this kind of thing could be avoided but then there would be so many stoppages that are disputed. Reply 5 months ago
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  • jdnextchamp That type of training will NEVER exist. Sometimes guys resist to ultra-tight choke/holds and sometimes guys don't tap and get their bones broken, it's the fighter's responsability to tap, not the referee's. Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster S-N-A-P !

    I just wanted to see you shut your eyes in horror. Still get the shudders over seeing an arm break?

    Interestingly, the horror over an arm break is irrational squeamishness--unless you have the same feeling about a kick to the head or a knee to the liver or an elbox to the head, or knee to the head etc.
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  • headxkick all the respect in the world to mir , being the first to ko & sub nog , esp sub him is just crazy , sick jits . Reply 5 months ago
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  • mmagym he outstruck crocop, kongo and nelson. Reply 5 months ago
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  • jdnextchamp Best grappler in the heavyweight division, I think yes. Big nog had never been submitted, he's been black belt in both BJJ and Judo since 1999, he had a good gil choke on Frank and he got out of it, to eventually secure a tight kimura that broke Nog's arm. Serious JJ display in that fight by Frank Mir, you gotta give him credit. Reply 5 months ago
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  • gspfan8 Poor nogueira. he was so close to getting his revenge and then in a blink of an eye his elbows broken Reply 5 months ago
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  • mmagym want to see a rematch with carwin. mir looked half a sleep in that fight b4 getting koed. or rubber match with brock to see if the extra muscle mass helps him at all. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Mike Perryman All of the fights wer good. Nice card. I just could not believe that the Zombie took care of my boy Hominick in JUST 7 SECONDS!! That is crazy. Reply 5 months ago
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  • mmagym Hominick just under estimated him! threw a big left hook with his chin up in the air and did not follow with a right hand. CRAZY!!! he`s a great striker and makes a school boy error...weird! got hit right on the button and was not out cold so he will defo win his next fight and maybe learn at this level you cant take any one lightly! Reply 5 months ago
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  • codemaster I don't understand MMA fans actually admitting to closing their eyes during that kimura. It's like shutting your eyes during a KO. WTF?

    That was a sudden and sweet reversal of fortunes. That whole card was cool, and the arm snap was the coolest, though Jones dropping the rag doll that once was Machida--was also dramatic. A standing choke to lullaby land. Jones' nickname should be The Sandman.

    Many Brazilians were crushed by that snap--you could say it was the Snap! that was heard around the world. Usually Brazilans claim Jiu Jitsu as their own--even renaming the martial art which originated in Japan as Brazilian. Big Nog is much loved in Brazil, and his BJJ is legendary--with over 20 submission wins. Mir beat Big Nog at his own game. He beat the Master. Twice he finished him.

    I had my hopes up in the first round with Machida, but once Jones got his hands on Machida--it was game over. I was impressed again by Jones, but at least Machida got in a few good shots--and brought Jones down to demi-godhood.
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  • Cookie77 This could be it for Nog at his age breaking a bone like that would take a long time to heal. Reply 5 months ago
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  • Mightymark The whole not tapping to a sub can be a bit of a mind**** because there are a lot of people who will actually release the lock/hold whatever rather than break their opponents arm or because they think that since the other person isn't tapping they cant have the lock on right. So what Frank did is pretty much what you should do when the other person doesnt tap. Reply 5 months ago
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